Sounds like some hot ideas for sub #2! But what about PuppyKaiden? We wouldn't want him to feel left out of the punishments for not doing exactly what he's told, would we? What do you think should happen with him, if he either doesn't cum within a certain amount of time, or maybe if he cums too quickly? Or should he be required to produce a certain amount of cum within a certain amount of time, or to be completely quiet and/or completely still (I DO have a motion sensing e-stim box now), or? And since I'm assuming you're wondering, the motion sensing e-stim box can be set to low sensitivity, where it shocks for bigger movements, or high sensitivity where it shocks for even the slightest movement. And it has a belt clip, so I could simply clip a nylon strap around his waist or anywhere that it would hold up, and then clip the box to that part of his body. Could probably even find a way to rig it so it hangs from his balls. *evil grin!* Thoughts?