Oh ok, yeah, then I'm definitely on the same page with ya there. Maybe even with about 100+ washers on the mat, laying so they're circling most of the spikes? And just maaaybe that day I also "accidentally" spilled a large box of paperclips all over those same spiked mats. But of course, my sub needs to follow my orders, right? And my orders were to clean up the washers, and ONLY the washers, not the paperclips. *evil grin!* What if he comes back to me with a magnet full of paper clips hanging from his collar? What kind of punishment would fit the crime there?